"Pay to win" is an overused buzzword that lost all meaning. As far as I remember it rose to prominence during the wave of F2P MMO that came around WoW release. The expression P2W (Pay to win) was coined by players as an opposition to the claimed Free to play. Understanding the game is free to play but to be good you have to pay.

Aug 26, 2019 · To me P2W is if a game has locked countet behind a paywall or you have to grind way to much without paying for contet that gives you an advantage over other players. To me Hearthstone is pretty P2W because its extremely hard to collect most cards by simply grinding and not paying for packs which are just lootboxes for card, and the card rarity ...

This thread is for those unable to grasp the concept and meaning what Pay 2 Win means. I will spell it out step by step, so that even the most confused forum member will be able to understand. Hopefully everyone reads this, and we will finally witness the end of misplaced P2W accusations. I assume we all know what 'Win' means.

Jan 9, 2022 · In any case, pay for convenience is NOT P2W. It’s another money-making scheme, it’s a dick move depending on the game and specific player, but it’s completely different than getting locked out of something you can ONLY get by paying, which will put others in an unfair competitive disadvantage.

May 22, 2020 · Actually, it is the most accepted take on the meaning of P2W. Of course winning is subjective but it's safe to assume that for the vast majority of the audience, winning entails aspects such as PvP or clearing end game PvE, staying competitive in some regard.

May 5, 2024 · Even if it has game passes, it doesn’t mean it’s p2w if said passes aren’t needed to do good or if the passes don’t give significant advantages The products The things that a game sells can give a good idea if it is p2w. For starters, if a game has a pass that gives you a skin with little advantage, then it clearly isn’t p2w.

Every time I see someone say "its not P2W because you can't kill anybody with it" I can't help to wonder why people still use this P2W definition from the stoneage of MMO gaming.

May 9, 2017 · ^this. The problem with the "winning" part of p2w is that we can stretch the meaning to encompass anything.

May 9, 2017 · Why people still believe only in literal meaning of "winning" in reference to P2W? Prev 1 2 3 Next. Go ...

WoW is P2W because you can buy level boosts and mount. FF14 is P2W because you can buy story skip. BDO is P2W because you can buy pets, weight, inventory or costumes to sell (costume argument is stupid because it isn’t realistic for 99.9% of the player base). OSRS is P2W because it has members. ESO is P2W because it has a premium pack.